Oh boy 2% damage and a bunch of minor things. Clearly an unfair advantage.

I don't see any of these benefits being significant enough to be considered P2W.

What is your idea of P2W?

I don't see any of these benefits being significant enough to be considered P2W.

What is your idea of P2W?

There are other high slot modules?
Also... you're.

Lastly, it's not p2w, it's p2 have a slight advantage. And maybe a bit more money. Anybody who can affordto pay hundreds of dollars across 10 accounts isn't getting laid one bit, and as such they deserve some semblance of life satisfaction.

You're missing the entire point of it. You're missing the end game. This will elevate Dust and level out the playing field...................................................................EVENTUALLY.

Yes, it will suck for awhile until it levels out...BUT, it will level out. 80,000 isk per day is helpful. 21,000sp per week extra is helpful. 5% damage is helpful.

CCP has given the option to pay, or you can wait.

Pay to Win is you MUST pay to win. I can go home in 2 hours and win a match without paying a dime. So there goes your theory. I'm happy to wait...and I'll get all the same things you paid $40 for in 6 months, for free.

I think I'll spend $40 today actually...I'll go to walmart and purchase my girlfriend and soon-to-be fiance a 4ft valentines day teddy bear because she's always wanted one. That'll make her very happy, that'll make me very happy and every time she looks at it, she'll think of me. She's exceptionally sexy too and you can imagine the benefits being a good boyfriend reap me :D

So you spend your $40 and upgrade your warbarge bro....but please keep me informed if you win every single match and never get killed. You win every gun fight, every match and it rains warpoints on your character.

If that happens, yes Dust 514 is pay to win and I'll pimp myself out to some truckers for some love them long time and spend boocou bucks on Dust 514 so I always win every time....

But until that happens....walk on with that tired pay to win garbage broski :D

This is no different than the SP for an incoming merc. Those willing to spend the AUR to upgrade faster will have a 6 month to a year advantage for those that don't.

You have a point with Alt farming, but that is an issue that can be addressed separately and doesn't necessarily have to end up being P2W.

The WB is new. It will grow and change a lot going forward I am sure. It is not helpful to jump to certain conclusions every time something new is introduced. Its fair to point out potential abuses, but I think the overall characterization is unfair.

Dude, don't go there because you got no information. My girl? #1 stunna and she does for me all the time and I do for her all the time. We have what you call a functional relationship. Maybe you've heard of that. She's been planning my birthday (2/22/15 w00t w00t) for 6 months haha and she just gave me the most awesome valentines day present early and you know what I did in return? I took her to Atlanta, GA to see Romeo and Juliet at the Atlanta Ballet....we stayed at the Hilton Hotel!

You want to know what she did for me in return? I'll tell ya boss....Mr. Big Burns, she put on the sexiest lingerie you ever saw and woke me up with my rocket in her mouth and then I blasted off to the moon if you feel me son....three times before we woke up and checked out of the hotel...

So yeah....I like how you THINK you know me and you know her....and how you think you know anything and how you absolutely avoided me calling you out about the Dust 514 Pay-to-Win topic and putting you in your place and it makes me laugh...makes me giggle. Like you're tickling my booty hole with a feather...but I bet you get down like that :D

Oops, there I go thinking I know you like you think you know me.....tsk tsk, we gotta work on that holmes.

Your perception of Dust being P2W is not a fact, its an opinion.

The facts and numbers are good as others can come to their own opinion based upon that, however having read through those numbers, I came to the exactly opposite conclusion.

I'm sorry to double whammy you bro, but the sky isn't actually blue lol the sky is totally clear and invisible...the blue you see is blue light in the Sun's rays bending more than the red light. Thus the sky looks blue

Nobody cares about anyone else's love life. Kay?

Besides, there are 3 kinds of women in the world.

Those that have cheated, those that are cheating, and those that will eventually cheat.

And no matter how hot they are, there is some guy some where who is/was sick of her shiite.

I'm not bitter.

That can be objectively measured with a spectrometer.

You admitted that the benefits the AUR would bring would take 6 months to a year to achieve without it. Which means you don't NEED to spend AUR in order to get the same benefits.

If Dust were P2W, those benefits would NEVER be achievable WITHOUT AUR. That is the definition of P2W.

I get not liking some of the monetization going on, but throwing out inaccurate labels out of frustration is not constructive in any way, shape, or form.

Not to sound terribly pessimistic, but is the length of time that will be required for the warbarge to be upgraded without sinking Aurum into it possibly longer than the lifespan of DUST altogether? At this point with no indication that DUST will be porting to PS4 or PC, and absolute silence as far as Legion is concerned, how can we accurately asses the time we have to work with?

Aw :( that's a sucky outlook to have on love lol seems like you've been burned before. Would you like to come to my merc quarters and sit on my couch and talk to me about it? My girl is a psychology major and she could walk me through counseling you....mommy issues? commitment issues? We can make it work! We can whip you into shape and have you a new man in no time!

But yeah, you're totally wrong lol there are millions (AND MILLIONS.....TheRock4TheWinBoots2Asses) of women out there in the world that are wholesome, pure and faithful. They will never cheat and as long as you treat them like every woman should be treated...you're golden.

If women are cheating on you, its because you're not the boss. You're not the alpha male. You're not the don f!cking mega. No woman wants some sissy man who can't provide or spends all his time playing video games or anything else...you have to be the f!cking don bro

So go be the Don....if I ever start a how to be king (see the post with the links linking to my twitter account where my girl says Michael Epic is king) class, I'll be sure to send you a message in game and we'll set you up on Skype and I'll teach you how to be the don mega

BIG BURNS: I was trolling you for the lolz just because haha no harm no foul

Burns, do you remember when there were Light Damage mods that were Aurum only that had better stats? That was Pay to Win. There were others of course, but those of us who know what P2W actually is got them pulled.

Fused Locus only coming from the Merc packs? That was also P2W.

When you have something that is only available for real world money then it is P2W.

Pay to save time is not a valid comparison.

Keep shoveling out that cash to try and be good at a bad game.

Read that.

Idiot confirmed.

I played one game of Warlords spec Dust, realized it was still a flaming bag of crap, quit out and got back on with life.

Spent $0. Because CCP doesn't deserve money for giving you guys this game to play.

Salty? Maybe.

That doesn't change the fact that you are a fool for giving CCP money for this trash.

As someone who played from Closed beta, you should bloody well know better.

Wow, this thread is all over the damn place.

I can't even remember what the topic was.

Sorry, I was out doing boring domestic shxt. Anyhow to jump back in, rather late. P2w is not having a slight advantage, it's purchasing things that are unattainable otherwise. You number crunchers really ruffle my feathers sometimes, statistics are no substitute for actual situational data as it pertains to the player experience. Not to mention the warbarge is all of 4 days old and new content is always subject to be broken by the active playerbase. Apologies on the grammar check, old habits.


On a more serious note, at least let there be evidence of foul play before you turn up so hard. Your blood pressure will thank you.

This argument has been dismantled many many times on these forums.

A paywall is - content which you cannot have acces to at all without paying for. Dust has no paywalls.

This mechanism is , everyone gets access to the same content, be it skill points, suits, weapons , but just at different rates. You can play Dust 514 without spending a cent but don't expect to be running proto suits and the best weapons at the same time as everyone else.

And lastly, it's a business model - meaning, it's there to make money. It's just a different model as opposed to the subscription model.